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Big Eck

by Jackie Anderson

WE NOW HAVE two years of tedious and wearisome debate ahead of us with, I suspect, most of us already tired of the endless drivel spoken on the merits of an Independent Scotland or an United Kingdom. Now if there was a referendum on whether we stay or leave the European Union I suspect the United Kingdom as a whole would come together and vote us out, but that's not to be. Instead we are now to be subjected to a Yes or No vote on whether we want to throw away what our ancestors fought and died for because a political party has hung its coat on the answer.

According to Salmond we get to keep the parts of the union we like; the British currency, of which we would have no control over as it would be the currency of a foreign land; and the Queen, as Salmond realises that's a divisive issue and a step too far for the Scottish people before the referendum, better waiting until after her death. He maintains we will all be better off being a separate country living on the fabulous wealth Scotland provides through oil and whisky. There is, however, little said on the re-allocation of the national debt with Scotland taking on at least 9% of it, a considerable sum and the jury's out on whether the bail-out of the Royal Bank of Scotland would be deemed wholly a Scottish debt. An independent Scotland would have to negotiate terms of repayment with the dreaded Westminster, yet again that would be outside Scotland's control. Our borders to England would have to be manned as the likelihood of us, as a separate country, automatically remaining in the European Union would be remote, although Alex assures us we would. We would have to reapply as a separate nation, with a refusal guaranteed unless we sign up to a whole host of agreements that would make us less competitive than the our neighbours and new competitors - England.

If you are a born and bred Scot, like I am, and have the audacity to live and work outwith Scotland you are probably not on the electoral roll, therefore how would I qualify for a Scottish passport – leaving me in a state of limbo. Where do I belong if not British? Of my fifty-four years, I have lived fifty in Scotland, worked, raised a family and bought my home (of which I still pay council tax), and intend to return in my retirement – yet I won't get a vote in the referendum and no-one can tell me how I will be entitled to a Scottish passport. But that's another thing that will be sorted out after the referendum.

The unthinkable some years ago has happened due to Alex Salmond and Alex Salmond alone. He is the smiling, everyone will be alright, figure head of the SNP, and is the only MSP in the Scottish parliament that can really speak, he holds audiences in the palms of his hands, smiles as he puts another chip on the Scottish shoulder about how hard done we all are in Scotland and like a fairy story if we leave the United Kingdom it will all be better, eh how ?

Welfare spending is 6% higher north of the border and North Sea oil and gas revenues would not even meet that cost alone. At present we get, from Westminster, a far higher rate per head than south of the border to compensate for the sparser population, that of course will go if independence is the reality. Ask the SNP how they will manage to make up this loss and yet again you get the old whisky and oil argument.

When you ask any SNP supporter or indeed politician for facts and figures you dont get it. It will all be sorted out after we get independence they say. The main thrust of their argument is to get away from the control of Westminster, to take control of our own destiny, to replace the control of Westminster - with the control of the SNP, and anyone who makes reasoned arguments against this is accused of Scaremongering.

The infrastructure is just not there in Scotland to maintain our country, if you think the cost of the Scottish parliament building was obscene, you aint seen nothing yet.

Lord Forsyth, a Tory has-been, accuses David Cameron of caving into Salmond, of not negotiating properly and of allowing Salmond to dictate the terms of the referendum, clearly not true but if it were what of it? Maybe its time for Salmond to put up or shut up? Forsyth calls Cameron a Pontius Pilate, an interesting comparison as Governor Pilot condemned a man to death whom he knew to be innocent to prevent a riot in a religious capital that was known to be rebellious. Morally and legally he was wrong but politically and diplomatically?

As our first minister looks like he is slowly eating himself into an early grave the strong possibility is that he won't be around for long and it will be the odious Nicola Sturgeon who takes the reigns, the deputy first minister who made such a balls-up on her health brief (although she believes worryingly that she did a good job ) that her reward is now to co-ordinate the strategy for the independence debate - God help us all.

To allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote is another mistake for Salmond as these are the people who will find it the most difficult to get jobs outwith our union, they will have to leave Scotland if they wish to work in big companies as the taxes that will have to be raised, even just to maintain our present day Welfare state, means that the big companies who employ our youngsters will be squeezed to pay more and will not remain in Scotland.

The trouble is there is no effective opposition to the SNP. The Conservatives once led by the Daphnie Broon of politics, Annabel Goldie, has been replaced by Ruth Davidson who managed to say little beyond platitudes in her early days as leader and now clearly realising she needs to speak puts her foot in it regularly.

Then there's Johann Lamont who had the audacity to speak the truth on the crippling welfare state but was lambasted for it, perhaps the reason being she is a Labour MSP and any credibility to her argument was lost after the spending spree in Blair/Brown years.

The Lib/Dems have Willie Rennie - who? Doesn't matter really, as they are seen as the party that sold out all their principals and beliefs so they could play with the big guys and now block anything the Conservatives want to do.

So not a lot for Alex to worry about except maybe one guy, the only guy that could take him on verbally and win and thats Nigel Farage of UKIP. This is a party that is growing and its leader is a breath of fresh air. At present an MEP where he lambasts the European Union continually (watch him on U-Tube) you can see self-important MEP's cringe when he gets up to speak. He cuts through white wash and red tape, ridicules silly European laws and talks a lot of sense. We need him in Britain as an MP where he could support his party in Scotland and take on Alex Salmond. The Scottish people like no-nonsense politicians and at the moment are stuck for choice. I would pay good money to watch a Salmond/Farage debate.

So what's next in the future ? Wales, the Isle of Wight - the Shetlands - to go it alone? Don't laugh its not beyond possibility, look where the SNP has got Scotland is now.

Article source www.thinkscotland.org

Article from Saturday 20, October, 2012

User Comments

I think Jackie Anderson raises some valued points - points that many Scots are concerned with and certainly not satisfied by the SNP answers. Scotland's currency is issued by the Bank of England for which the terms of reference and operation are set by the British Government - Scotland has representation both within Cabinet and the Houses of Parliament and it has of course been known for Scots to hold the position of Chancellor (Brown?) and Prime Minister (Blair). There are many channels within this system to raise concerns officially and in full public gaze that can make a difference. This influence is far greater than having no representation - we might as well have the US dollar. Tax take and public spending vary from year to year and any one snapshot does not a sustainable economy (or argument) make. There have been many years when the revenues have been less than the spending and others when revenues have been greater. There is no shame in receiving funds just as their is no arrogance in supporting other regions in need. It's called solidarity and cooperation and is something we should be proud of. Deconstructing the figures and using them as an argument is as facile as suggesting Edinburgh or Aberdeen should become City states because they subsidise the rest of Scotland (never mind the Orkney & Shetlands). Hughes Hallet has a valid point which may or may not be accepted in any negotiations but the logical extension of it is that the British Government, in having the other 90% of the debt will also retain 90% of the shareholding held by the state. What's it to be? Nobody knows for sure and that was Anderson's argument. The point about the EU membership is just that, it would need to be negotiated, so what of the current advantages that were negotiated for Britain would we keep? Certainly not all of them, not least as we now have Spain confirming membership would not be automatic. Would we stay outside the Euro? Would we stay outside the Schengen agreement? If not then we would need border controls - not to stop people leaving Scotland but for people entering it without us knowing. BTW the agreement between Ireland and Britain is a longstanding one established before EU membership, but like the UK Ireland has an opt out from Schengen. How can Scotland know it can obtain an opt out? What will the quid pro quo be in the negotiations? The point is that like journeys between the UK and France people travelling between Scotland and the UK would need to show identity papers and vice versa. There is nothing certain about who is Scottish and entitled to a Scottish passport when not residing in Scotland. Born in Edinburgh, can Tony Blair have a Scottish passport? Will anyone be entitled to dual nationality or restricted to singular nationality? It's all very unclear and Anderson is right to raise it - especially given the way Scots like her are being denied a vote. You need to get out more and see the infrastructure in other countries, Scotland's infrastructure is appalling by comparison. Even now we do not have a complete motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh, the outstanding repairs bill is astronomical (see Audit Scotland reports). The SNP is not addressing this issue even though it has the powers to so why independence would make a difference remains obscure. Jackie Anderson does not say "Fat Eck", but she does point out something that is regularly talked about and that is that he does not look a figure of health. To predicate support for a party on one man (think regional list ballot paper) and build a constitutional change around him begs the question what if he were to fall under a bus? That's a fair question in public discourse. Jackie Anderson's article is a breath of fresh air - it raises points that need to be answered and is as much about identity as it is economy - it's not negative to raise these issues. We now have two years of questions being asked and nationalists had better improve at knowing their facts and answering the questions. Too many "ifs" David Torrance said today and he's not wrong either.

Posted on 22/10/2012 by Jamie Douglas
Dear oh dear, where to start with this one. Firstly on the currency, we have no control over it right now. We have 0 representation on the Bank of England policy committee so independence would make us no worse but give us full fiscal control. Ah, the old chestnut "oil and whisky". Scotland contributes 9.6% of UK tax intake, and gets back 9.3%. We are in a better fiscal position than the rest of the UK, and independence would give us an extra 2.5 billion pound to either invest to create growth, reduce borrowing, or combine the two. The jury is not out on RBS being "Scottish debt" and hasn't for a good few years. As Andrew Hughes Hallett, (professor of economics at St Andrews and Prinseton) has explained, Scotland is only responsible for 10% of the bank bailout. Look up the bail out of Fortis to see independent countries working together on bailing out banks. On the EU, I'm not sure where you are getting the refusal guaranteed from. Right now we are in the EU, negotiations would follow (on an independent Scotlands contribution to EU etc) and we would find ourselves still in the EU. Manned borders? Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Case closed. You are Scottish, you will get a Scottish passport. Then your argument moves on to the "we're all subsidy junkies". The GERS report shows that we are in a better fiscal position than the rest of the UK. As stated before, we generate 9.6% of UK taxes, and get back 9.3%. There is no oil and whisky argument, we have more depth to our economy with things such as tourism and a recovering financial sector with firms such as Mitsubishi investing in our renewable energy sector. Lets move on to your next "we cannae dae it" argument on infrastructure. Maybe you can give evidence to the "nae infrastructure", what is there in Ireland, Sweden, Norway etc that isn't here? You mention the Scottish parliament, taking that argument the olympics were well over budget, should the UK hand over all power to Brussels as quite clearly it cannae dae it either in your eyes? Well done on fitting in the "fat eck" jibe, I've almost got a full house on Unionist bingo!" What do we have next? Hang on, I'm just firing up the DeLorean to go back to 1975 where your "big companies will leave Scotland" argument wasn't playground politics. Based on your argument there would be no big companies in Scotland right now due to Ireland's low corporation tax. That article is unbelieveably negative, down beat, and pessimistic about Scotland and is full of downright lies which many unionists have dropped years ago due to embarassment. You provide absolutely nothing positive in regards to the union. You tell people not to laugh, well I'm sorry but after reading that there won't be much else to do.

Posted on 21/10/2012 by Daryl Baptie
Its a very scary thought! To be honest, I was all up for the idea and that's the IDEA of Scotland becoming independant. That was until I actually looked into the practicalities of it!! Its absolutely ridiculous!

Posted on 20/10/2012 by Ems
Orkney and Shetland independence is certainly a goer. Most of the oil is in their territorial waters , which would make them fantastically rich & they have a larger population than the Faroes or several independent Pacific islands.

Posted on 20/10/2012 by Neil Craig